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:iconcretineb:
I had what I thought was a cool idea- The Incredibles standing in front of some stylized mythical hero statues. This is what I wound up drawing. There's a few things I'd change, but I think it turned out OK. Whadda you think?
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~Sebs-DA Aug 8, 2009  Professional Artist
Great piece !
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~splendidriver Aug 5, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I think if Dash was showing his front would be better, but I like this, a lot :D
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:iconcretineb:
I actually drew a version with dash facing front, but I liked this better.
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:iconpaco850:
Hey man,

I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong witht his but I think you missed dome opportunities to tell a story with the characters. Brian Stelfreeze once told me not to draw the character but to draw the personality. To me Dash would be in Hog heaven here. This would be the kind of thing that he'd dig and I think that Bob wouldn't be far behind. Violet on the other hand seems a little to confident. I think she'd be a little intimidated by the statues and and helen has always been a mom before a superhero so I think she'd be looking for the educational value in this. Perhaps she'd have a tour book or something out looking up the name of the statue instead of simply posing. It's a cool Idea though. Wish I'd thought of it.
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:iconcretineb:
You’re not addressing the technical execution of my idea, or my intent.

The purpose of this drawing is to illustrate the relationship between classic mythology and modern mythology. This drawing does not intend to be humorous or realistic. It's intent is to be idealistic. In the film, Edna Mode said "I used to design for gods." The Incredibles are postmodern mythic gods. A statue of Hercules would look lame if he had a tour book in his hand, and for the purposes of this drawing, so would Elastigirl. Mythic gods generally don't lack confidence, so for the purpose of this drawing, Violet is portrayed as confident. The statues of the mythic gods of the past are in heroic poses, so the Incredibles are in similar poses. The Incredibles aren’t supposed to look like a family touring a museum, they are supposed to look like gods.

You’re not judging this drawing on what it is, or even what it wants to be. You're judging this drawing on what it is not, and worse yet, what it was never meant to be. You say, “I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with this” and then you go on about how you would have drawn every principle character differently. Better yet, that you would draw each one of them in ways that are contrary to the purpose of the illustration.

If you don't like my idea (the themes)- or my execution of the idea (the rendering, staging, composition, etc,), that's cool- that's legit. spaghetti016 said he thought the statues were too flat. That’s a legitimate judgment/observation. One could also say that the bottom right corner is empty- it needs something there to fill up the dead space. We could go on for days about how specific elements of the illustration could be stronger...but that’s not what you’re doing. You are comparing the apples of your mind to the oranges I put down on paper. What you’re doing is quite frankly cheap, and can be done to any artists work- yours, mine, even a giant like Stelfreeze
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:iconpaco850:
Whoa guy,

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. That is the problem with writing ones thoughts instead of telling them. You can't here my voice. I'm not attacking your drawing, but I feel like maybe I came off that way and the tone I'm infering from your response feels negative as well. I hope this is just a misunderstanding.

Nothing about your comments led me to believe you were making the kind of comparison you are saying in your response where you said "The purpose of this drawing is to illustrate the relationship between classic mythology and modern mythology. This drawing does not intend to be humorous or realistic. It's intent is to be idealistic."

You said "I had what I thought was a cool idea- The Incredibles standing in front of some stylized mythical hero statues. This is what I wound up drawing. There's a few things I'd change, but I think it turned out OK. Whadda you think?"

Even here it sounds as if you are unsure about your execution of the drawing. Either you are sincerely seeking criticism or your are faking humility expecting everyone to ooh and ahh over a drawing your seem to be very proud of after I've read your response.

There are many ways I could take your original comments. I took them to think that you were trying to show the incredibles encountering the statues on a family outing and making a statement about how the family who collectively are probably more powerful than these heroic statues might act on this encounter. I believe that they would still fanboy out, be intimidated or look for educational value instead of simply appreciating the magnificence of the greek gods. I was led to this conclusion particularly by Bob who is pointing as if telling his family to look at a particular statue.

I didn't realize you were simply having them pose in the museum and making the comparison of them to greek gods. Which is also a good idea.

I'm simply more interested in storytelling and body language and a character's personality and I offered my criticism humbly and with the best intentions. That is the kind of criticism I've grown the most from as opposed to technical criticism about rendering or drawing a hand here or a nose there. That stuff will always improve with an artist of your caliber as you draw more and more. I know this and you know it so why waste our time retelling you something you probably already know.

I think you can draw very well, but if the only negative you hear is that something looks too flat and that is what you are willing to accept as criticism, then I think your growth will be slow as compared to an artist who maintains humility and weighs others opinions based on their work. If you view my work and see that I'm not someone who knows what I'm doing then feel free to blow my opinion off. That is what I do when I get negative criticism from someone. I evaluate what they can do and I base the validity of their opinion of what they've proven to me with their own work.

I wish you much success on future drawings.
best
J.Walker
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~ryuuseipro Aug 4, 2009   Filmographer
I think it looks incredible! (Pun intended.) Very well done.
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:iconcretineb:
Ah-thank-U, Ah-thankQverymuch:)
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~ryuuseipro Aug 5, 2009   Filmographer
Sure thing!
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